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		<title>By: Randall Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

Thank you.  I have just submitted my application to Reformed Theological Seminary and am undergoing an &quot;internal review.&quot;

Your post, the comments left to it, have all been great insight into how to approach this process.

Thank you ever so much.

Your Brother in Jesus,
-Randall Potter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Thank you.  I have just submitted my application to Reformed Theological Seminary and am undergoing an &#8220;internal review.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your post, the comments left to it, have all been great insight into how to approach this process.</p>
<p>Thank you ever so much.</p>
<p>Your Brother in Jesus,<br />
-Randall Potter</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Belder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Belder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this post is still generating comments. I really wanted to comment on it when it first came out but just didn&#039;t have the time to do so. Haven&#039;t had to now either, because most of everything I would&#039;ve said is here.

For the record, I&#039;m with you Paul.

And I agree with Mark, that you should rework this a bit and turn it into another post. You&#039;re absolutely right that we&#039;ve lost sight of what calling really is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this post is still generating comments. I really wanted to comment on it when it first came out but just didn&#8217;t have the time to do so. Haven&#8217;t had to now either, because most of everything I would&#8217;ve said is here.</p>
<p>For the record, I&#8217;m with you Paul.</p>
<p>And I agree with Mark, that you should rework this a bit and turn it into another post. You&#8217;re absolutely right that we&#8217;ve lost sight of what calling really is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Traphagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Traphagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, that reply was so good I think you should make it a main post so more people will see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, that reply was so good I think you should make it a main post so more people will see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Paul. (Again.) That paragraph on 1 Cor. 7 is especially helpful and pointed. It&#039;s obvious for you that the call to follow Christ, wherever, through whatever circumstances, trumps the subjective need to have it all figured out and act like we do. Nor to feel like one has to prove one&#039;s self to others. Simple and complex all at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Paul. (Again.) That paragraph on 1 Cor. 7 is especially helpful and pointed. It&#8217;s obvious for you that the call to follow Christ, wherever, through whatever circumstances, trumps the subjective need to have it all figured out and act like we do. Nor to feel like one has to prove one&#8217;s self to others. Simple and complex all at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burkhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J-Rat - 

Was Abraham called to kill Isaac?  Yes.  He went forward with that plan until God &quot;called&quot; otherwise.  Would he have been disobedient to continue with the original &quot;calling&quot; of killing Isaac after God said &quot;stop&quot;?

In the church today we have a very strange and anemic doctrine of &quot;calling&quot; that I don&#039;t believe is biblical.  We also have a very gnostic tendency of idealizing the spiritual at the detriment of the material.  This is one reason why many of the commenters of this post can&#039;t seem to understand why or how God would ever call someone AWAY from a seminary.  The pulpit and its preparation has been placed on a pedestal it was never meant to be on.  

Completely in line with Abraham, I obeyed God&#039;s call until he called me elsewhere, and then I responded appropriately and, as time has shown me, obediently.  Sometimes the finances aren&#039;t there.  Sometimes people don&#039;t get healed.  Sometimes God changes things.  Sometimes THAT is the more &quot;difficult road&quot;.  For me, with my story, leaving seminary was FAR more difficult, uncertain, and requiring of more faith than if I had stayed.

I will equally give you the advice to not question where God has brought you.  As I said, after Pentecost, after the Holy Spirit indwelt believers, the &quot;will of God&quot; is no longer some invisible path that we have to find and &quot;get back on&quot; if we &quot;get off&quot;.  The &quot;will of God&quot;, for the rest of the New Testament always refers to an INTERNAL reality that GOD has promised to accomplish in you.  The burden to accomplish the &quot;will of God&quot; in the NT is ultimately on GOD.  He doesn&#039;t require us to have to follow these weird abstractions and intuitions to &quot;figure out&quot; some ethereal reality.  He just says &quot;Follow me.  Trust me.  Believe in me.  And just live.&quot;  We are in His hands and He has appointed our time and places.  Let us not think more of ourselves than we ought and think we can &quot;mess this thing up&quot;.  He loves us too much to let that happen.

Live to the glory of God wherever you are.  The most extensive treatment of an idea of &quot;calling&quot; that Scripture gives us is in 1 Cor 7, and Paul&#039;s main admonition is that wherever you are NOW is where you&#039;re called.  Stay there and glorify God in it.  He will change the external circumstance if He desires.  For me, that change of circumstance looked like the story above.  Remember, the &quot;will of God&quot; is &quot;something best discerned through clarity and hindsight rather than ambiguity and attempted foresight.&quot;  Rely not on subjective feelings and hopes unattained.  Trust your savior that has accomplished objective goals on your behalf and has led you to wherever you are NOW.

To live is Christ.  For the Christian, there&#039;s no other reality we know.  I hope this was more helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J-Rat &#8211; </p>
<p>Was Abraham called to kill Isaac?  Yes.  He went forward with that plan until God &#8220;called&#8221; otherwise.  Would he have been disobedient to continue with the original &#8220;calling&#8221; of killing Isaac after God said &#8220;stop&#8221;?</p>
<p>In the church today we have a very strange and anemic doctrine of &#8220;calling&#8221; that I don&#8217;t believe is biblical.  We also have a very gnostic tendency of idealizing the spiritual at the detriment of the material.  This is one reason why many of the commenters of this post can&#8217;t seem to understand why or how God would ever call someone AWAY from a seminary.  The pulpit and its preparation has been placed on a pedestal it was never meant to be on.  </p>
<p>Completely in line with Abraham, I obeyed God&#8217;s call until he called me elsewhere, and then I responded appropriately and, as time has shown me, obediently.  Sometimes the finances aren&#8217;t there.  Sometimes people don&#8217;t get healed.  Sometimes God changes things.  Sometimes THAT is the more &#8220;difficult road&#8221;.  For me, with my story, leaving seminary was FAR more difficult, uncertain, and requiring of more faith than if I had stayed.</p>
<p>I will equally give you the advice to not question where God has brought you.  As I said, after Pentecost, after the Holy Spirit indwelt believers, the &#8220;will of God&#8221; is no longer some invisible path that we have to find and &#8220;get back on&#8221; if we &#8220;get off&#8221;.  The &#8220;will of God&#8221;, for the rest of the New Testament always refers to an INTERNAL reality that GOD has promised to accomplish in you.  The burden to accomplish the &#8220;will of God&#8221; in the NT is ultimately on GOD.  He doesn&#8217;t require us to have to follow these weird abstractions and intuitions to &#8220;figure out&#8221; some ethereal reality.  He just says &#8220;Follow me.  Trust me.  Believe in me.  And just live.&#8221;  We are in His hands and He has appointed our time and places.  Let us not think more of ourselves than we ought and think we can &#8220;mess this thing up&#8221;.  He loves us too much to let that happen.</p>
<p>Live to the glory of God wherever you are.  The most extensive treatment of an idea of &#8220;calling&#8221; that Scripture gives us is in 1 Cor 7, and Paul&#8217;s main admonition is that wherever you are NOW is where you&#8217;re called.  Stay there and glorify God in it.  He will change the external circumstance if He desires.  For me, that change of circumstance looked like the story above.  Remember, the &#8220;will of God&#8221; is &#8220;something best discerned through clarity and hindsight rather than ambiguity and attempted foresight.&#8221;  Rely not on subjective feelings and hopes unattained.  Trust your savior that has accomplished objective goals on your behalf and has led you to wherever you are NOW.</p>
<p>To live is Christ.  For the Christian, there&#8217;s no other reality we know.  I hope this was more helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: J-Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much of this is God&#039;s will, or the world capturing you. If you&#039;re called-you&#039;re called. I have struggled and struggled with this same situation. It&#039;s not easy. It&#039;s the hardest decision in my life, but I&#039;m called. Are you called, or are you not? Forget the world and it&#039;s mundane useless cycle. If your heart is wild-free it. Do what you were called to do. The finances will be there. The support will be there. Don&#039;t stop. Don&#039;t kid yourself and make yourself feel right about your decision by saying God has a different path for you. The God I read about is all about the difficult road. The narrow one. That&#039;s the road I need to get back on. This post has helped a lot. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much of this is God&#8217;s will, or the world capturing you. If you&#8217;re called-you&#8217;re called. I have struggled and struggled with this same situation. It&#8217;s not easy. It&#8217;s the hardest decision in my life, but I&#8217;m called. Are you called, or are you not? Forget the world and it&#8217;s mundane useless cycle. If your heart is wild-free it. Do what you were called to do. The finances will be there. The support will be there. Don&#8217;t stop. Don&#8217;t kid yourself and make yourself feel right about your decision by saying God has a different path for you. The God I read about is all about the difficult road. The narrow one. That&#8217;s the road I need to get back on. This post has helped a lot. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: The Beauty of Theology (an Advent Call)</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Beauty of Theology (an Advent Call)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is one of the reasons why I had to leave seminary. I was in the midst of such beauty and I was numb to it! I was too immature. I didn’t have the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Stout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Stout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for writing this!  I&#039;ve been struggling with some of these exact same things.  I still don&#039;t know what I&#039;m going to do, but it was refreshing to realize I&#039;m not tied down to seminary against my will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for writing this!  I&#8217;ve been struggling with some of these exact same things.  I still don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m going to do, but it was refreshing to realize I&#8217;m not tied down to seminary against my will.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrod Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarrod Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,
I have been and am in a very similar position to your own.  I&#039;m 26, attended seminary for two years and then realized that this was no longer God&#039;s will for my life.  I was one year away from getting my masters and God was telling me no more.  My financials were hard, but God was taking care of us just fine...money was coming in, from strange places, when we needed it.  However, it was heavy on my heart that seminary was over for me.  The difficult circumstances I could bear, the loss of joy and trouble in my spirit I could not.  And so after much counsel and prayer, I let go of my degree.

I battled the feeling of shame when telling others, as I had always been just the opposite of a quitter.  I battled the feeling of shame from myself, because the &quot;high-achiever&quot; I had always been would never do something like this.  However, the feeling of relief I received was God&#039;s blessing that I was making the right decision.  The circumstances that followed worked out very well as far as finding a job, place to live, etc.

I left seminary 4 months ago, moved to a rural area, have a steady job, and a baby on the way.  I do not know what is coming next, but I still  know God has called me to ministry.  He is teaching me still and training me in ways that I&#039;m sure I will only be able to see in hindsight.  Ever since I was called, I assumed I&#039;d graduate from seminary and lead a church immediately after (was I even right to try and plan it that way in my head?).  Now, I&#039;m walking by faith that God is leading me still.  It&#039;s not easy b/c I do not know my direction, but I follow the Shepherd.  I try to be prepared for anything He may bring my way.

As you said, &quot;the will of God is an ever unfolding present reality.&quot;  God often raises men for a season for a particular work and then seasons change.  He does different things with different people in different times and in different ways.
May God lead and direct your life and may you have the faith to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,<br />
I have been and am in a very similar position to your own.  I&#8217;m 26, attended seminary for two years and then realized that this was no longer God&#8217;s will for my life.  I was one year away from getting my masters and God was telling me no more.  My financials were hard, but God was taking care of us just fine&#8230;money was coming in, from strange places, when we needed it.  However, it was heavy on my heart that seminary was over for me.  The difficult circumstances I could bear, the loss of joy and trouble in my spirit I could not.  And so after much counsel and prayer, I let go of my degree.</p>
<p>I battled the feeling of shame when telling others, as I had always been just the opposite of a quitter.  I battled the feeling of shame from myself, because the &#8220;high-achiever&#8221; I had always been would never do something like this.  However, the feeling of relief I received was God&#8217;s blessing that I was making the right decision.  The circumstances that followed worked out very well as far as finding a job, place to live, etc.</p>
<p>I left seminary 4 months ago, moved to a rural area, have a steady job, and a baby on the way.  I do not know what is coming next, but I still  know God has called me to ministry.  He is teaching me still and training me in ways that I&#8217;m sure I will only be able to see in hindsight.  Ever since I was called, I assumed I&#8217;d graduate from seminary and lead a church immediately after (was I even right to try and plan it that way in my head?).  Now, I&#8217;m walking by faith that God is leading me still.  It&#8217;s not easy b/c I do not know my direction, but I follow the Shepherd.  I try to be prepared for anything He may bring my way.</p>
<p>As you said, &#8220;the will of God is an ever unfolding present reality.&#8221;  God often raises men for a season for a particular work and then seasons change.  He does different things with different people in different times and in different ways.<br />
May God lead and direct your life and may you have the faith to follow.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Some writing news . . . &#171; the long way home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a new website that I am now contributing to.  It&#8217;s a site from the newest fellow Westminster dropout I&#8217;ve met, Allison Quient.  It&#8217;s a site called &#8220;By Whose Authority?&#8221; and [...]</description>
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